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THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2007

The normally laser-focused Pat Kitano showed me yesterday that it’s actually okay to write the occasional off-topic post. So here’s mine: a word of warning to you unsuspecting consumers who might be considering purchasing a Gateway (soon to be Acer) product.

Gateway [NYSE: GTW]The customer experience when you’re buying something from Gateway is brilliant. Smooth, efficient, friendly – my representative had me whipping out my credit card in a jiffy.

Then come...the problems.

My beautiful matte black widescreen 22” LCD monitor looked groovy coming out of the box, but once I plugged it the image flickered and flashed so badly that I thought it was going to give me an epileptic seizure.

Then comes...the real fun part.

I won’t bore you with the details (and they're many), but suffice to say that I spent multiple hours on hold waiting for someone from the returns department to talk to me. And I'd already spent multiple hours on the technical service chat line, where I was instructed to download all manner of patches and software in a futile effort to fix the problem.

This was all, well, pretty annoying. With every human being that I managed to speak with (all of them obstructive and unhelpful) I emphasized that I didn’t want an exchange (I wanted my money back) and that I didn’t expect to be charged a restocking fee. I was assured that I wouldn't.

Then I got my credit card statement. By now most of you see this coming. Bam: $50 restocking fee.

Another phone call. Another period on hold (this time shorter). And I’m finally curtly informed that Gateway reserves the right to charged me a 15% restocking fee, and they’re not going to waive it regardless of what any Gateway representative had previously told me. Case closed. And if I don’t like it then I can take the case to arbitration. Bye.

Lesson learned: be careful when doing business with a company that’s in its last death throes. Gateway, once an innovative dot.com darling, has seen its stock price collapse from a high of $84 down to the current level of $1.87. Gateway has finally thrown in the towel and is being acquired by Taiwan based Acer.

A note of caution to Acer: an embattled company like Gateway often manages to acquire some dysfunctional cultural traits that are difficult to root out and fix. In this case it’s a clear pattern professional front-office hospitality designed to lure orders followed by a phalanx of curt back-office trolls brandishing consumer-unfriendly policies to obstruct any poor sap (like me) who’s trying to return one of Gateway’s lemons.

This, clearly, is a deliberate strategy.  Had I suffered a single long hold time or had to deal with one rude return agent I could understand - maybe someone was having a bad day.  But when it consistently happens over and over...well that's no coincidence (especially compared with the cheery efficient folks who took my order.)

This is a penny-wise but dollar-foolish method of maximizing revenue. Yeah they’re going to keep my fifty bucks (which I suppose will help their bottom line) but believe me I’m going to tell anyone who will listen that they need to avoid Gateway (and Acer) products like the plague.

Acer will have some cultural problems to root out when they take the reins; I hope for their sake that they built this into the acquisition price.

Hudson Sangree with the Sacramento Bee recent wrote a story about a customer who decided to take Gateway to court over a defective computer and Gateway's subsequent customer service stonewalling.  I exchanged emails with Hudson and he indicated that he's received a lot of contacts from Gateway customers who have had similar experiences. 

Ironically, the plaintiff in the case, Dennis Sheehan, describes himself as "a retired real estate investor".  It's clear that real estate professionals need computers...so hey maybe this post wasn't so off-topic after all. 

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Epilogue [October 7th]: Subsequent to the events above I issued a formal complaint to American Express, the card I used for the purchase.  They temporarily suspended the $50 and promised to investigate with Gateway.  Today I received a letter indicating that American Express has issued a credit for $50 to my account to resolve the complaint.

This feels like a victory of sorts, I suppose, although I suspect that American Express is eating the cost.  However, American Express is a $72 billion company (market captialization) whereas Gateway is a $700 million company - around 1% of American Express' size.  As as a pattern of complaints develops concerning Gateway, customer-focused companies like American Express will start to reevaluate their relationship with the offending vendor. 

The moral: consumers who suffer a blatantly abusive experience with a vendor should look to their credit card company for recourse if dealing with the vendor directly yields no success. 

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Comments(33)
posted by: Chris Smith
Comments
September 21, 2007
12:54 AM
Thx for the tip Chris... I'm buying a Macbook today... just trusting the review sites...
September 21, 2007
07:36 AM
Pat: Well I probably could have saved myself this grief by doing a review site search before making my purchase; I'm sure I'm not the first person who's had this experience.
September 21, 2007
11:53 PM
Chris,
Thank you for this post! I am sending it to everyone I know, or at least I should say all that I have been telling the same! Thank you for putting it in print! I guess that is what you get from a hippy cow farmer? But at least he sold right? I my self do not have anything toward hippy cow farmers, but Gateway has always been a problem child for me. I am not so sure on this Acer yet too. Please keep up the great work!
September 22, 2007
12:17 AM
Apella: Thanks for your comment. I'm interested in hearing other Gateway stories here in the comments; this is a topic I'll revisit. I'm curious as to whether a) Gateway's terrible customer service business model is a reaction to their worsening business situation or b) their poor policies were actually a catalyst for thier demise. In other words; with this particular chicken-and-egg combo which came first?
November 11, 2007
07:19 PM
Chris,

I purchased a Gateway Laptop through Best Buy almost a year ago for the specific purpose of doing my jeep clubs books and doing registration for our annual event. All I really used it for was running Quickbooks - the few times I tried to to access video it kept telling me windows media wasn't installed so I would install would run one time and then the next time the same issue. Since I really only needed to run Quick Books did not concern me greatly. Then the system crashed and could not even get it to boot up. Best Buy rerieved my data and suggested I just start from scatch and reload everything, which I did. Still had the same issues with media player and then got to a point Quick Books started crashing - I finally realized after a couple of weeks that it was sound related - every time I did something that caused a beep it crashed on me - disabled all the sounds in QB but finally called Gateway support - they of course told me it was a Microsoft problem and maybe Quick Books was not supported by Gateway or Microsoft - after I explained that they sold Quick Books and most small businesses in the US ran Quick Books they gave up and started looking elsewhere - we went in to the control panel and it said there was no audio installed - we reloaded all the drivers and again it worked once and crashed - after reloading the drivers several times and a couple of different calls they agreed to send it in and check it out - get a box - send it in - get back with a note that nothing is wrong - boot it up no sound - no audio installed - another call - reload all the drivers again multiple times and then send it back in. Got it back and the tech folks again say there is nothing wrong - boot it up still no sound and Quick Books still continues to crash - I finally took it back to Best Buy - they ran a stress test on it and discovered it had a bad hard drive - that is why the drivers kept disappearing and the sound and video never worked properly. By this time I had been using my desktop to all my work but our event was coming up and I needed the laptop on site since we were out camping and I was not going to have my desktop. Best Buy could not get it repaired in time but would replace if Gateway would authorize - I called Gateway and asked for a supervisor explaining I did not need tech support. I explained my situation and he told me that no way would the replace it except maybe with a refurbished unit and even that would take 3 to 4 weeks - I had a week and explained that Best Buy had several I could pick up that night - he explained that they would never authorize that - I then told him that under CA Lemon Laws I felt they were obligated to do just that - I then yelled at me and stated this call is over - you have just threatened us with legal action and we will not longer support you in any fashion - have your attorney call us and then hung up on me.

After explaining this to Best Buy they sent an Email to Gateway to get authorization to replace - Gateway refused their request but gave them a number for me to call. I called them and then again explained that they would replace it with a new machine but would give me a refurbished machine or repair mine but neither could happen in the week alloted and if it was that critical that I needed a Laptop I should buy one so I had a spare.

I bought a Sony and loaded all the club books and registration info on it and have never had a problem and that is what I have used since.

Best Buy had Gateway put rush the repair and I got it back the week after I needed it - I have never turned it on or used it since it was returned - it has set on the same shelf for almost 6 months gathering dust.

Despite Gateway's rudeness and lack of support I never once raised my voice and yelled at them, not even when their supervisor screamed that I had threatened him with legal action and they could no longer talk to me. I worked in customer support at my company for awile and I know for a fact that if I had ever treated one of our customers in that manner I would have been terminated
November 11, 2007
07:27 PM
Chris,

I purchased a Gateway Laptop through Best Buy almost a year ago for the specific purpose of doing my jeep clubs books and doing registration for our annual event. All I really used it for was running Quickbooks - the few times I tried to to access video it kept telling me windows media wasn't installed so I would install would run one time and then the next time the same issue. Since I really only needed to run Quick Books did not concern me greatly. Then the system crashed and could not even get it to boot up. Best Buy rerieved my data and suggested I just start from scatch and reload everything, which I did. Still had the same issues with media player and then got to a point Quick Books started crashing - I finally realized after a couple of weeks that it was sound related - every time I did something that caused a beep it crashed on me - disabled all the sounds in QB but finally called Gateway support - they of course told me it was a Microsoft problem and maybe Quick Books was not supported by Gateway or Microsoft - after I explained that they sold Quick Books and most small businesses in the US ran Quick Books they gave up and started looking elsewhere - we went in to the control panel and it said there was no audio installed - we reloaded all the drivers and again it worked once and crashed - after reloading the drivers several times and a couple of different calls they agreed to send it in and check it out - get a box - send it in - get back with a note that nothing is wrong - boot it up no sound - no audio installed - another call - reload all the drivers again multiple times and then send it back in. Got it back and the tech folks again say there is nothing wrong - boot it up still no sound and Quick Books still continues to crash - I finally took it back to Best Buy - they ran a stress test on it and discovered it had a bad hard drive - that is why the drivers kept disappearing and the sound and video never worked properly. By this time I had been using my desktop to all my work but our event was coming up and I needed the laptop on site since we were out camping and I was not going to have my desktop. Best Buy could not get it repaired in time but would replace if Gateway would authorize - I called Gateway and asked for a supervisor explaining I did not need tech support. I explained my situation and he told me that no way would the replace it except maybe with a refurbished unit and even that would take 3 to 4 weeks - I had a week and explained that Best Buy had several I could pick up that night - he explained that they would never authorize that - I then told him that under CA Lemon Laws I felt they were obligated to do just that - I then yelled at me and stated this call is over - you have just threatened us with legal action and we will not longer support you in any fashion - have your attorney call us and then hung up on me.

After explaining this to Best Buy they sent an Email to Gateway to get authorization to replace - Gateway refused their request but gave them a number for me to call. I called them and then again explained that they would never replace it with a new machine but would give me a refurbished machine or repair mine but neither could happen in the week alloted and if it was that critical that I needed a Laptop I should buy one so I had a spare.

I bought a Sony and loaded all the club books and registration info on it and have never had a problem and that is what I have used since.

Best Buy had Gateway put a rush the repair and I got it back the week after I needed it - I have never turned it on or used it since it was returned - it has set on the same shelf for almost 6 months gathering dust.

Despite Gateway's rudeness and lack of support I never once raised my voice and yelled at them, not even when their supervisor screamed that I had threatened him with legal action and they could no longer talk to me. I worked in customer support at my company for awile and I know for a fact that if I had ever treated one of our customers in that manner I would have been terminated on the spot.

I have considered taking them to small claims court but is the $1,000 I might get worth the effort? I would rather see someone start a class action suit against them.
November 25, 2007
01:49 AM
Unfortunately I bought a Gateway computer and have had ongoing problems with Gateway's technical support and customer service. My advice is to avoid Gateway like the plague.
July 26, 2008
01:18 AM
I was going to order a gateway laptop, the new M153XL, but they rejected the credit cards... so I tried with a different one. After rejecting the second credit card... I went to the bank and ask what was wrong with my Credit Cards. The bank said they were fine, and told me there was some money floating ... It seems the bank accepted the bill for the laptop, but Gateway rejected it. So I cancelled the "floating" money, tried with a different credit card, (yes, I really wanted that laptop, can't get another one for the same price with the same tech specs), now I sent them an email asking what the hell was wrong with my order... They said your order was deemed as "fradulant", the guy couldn't even spell fraudulent!! So I am sick of gateway... I rather get any refurbished laptop, more odds that it'll work than a Gateway... O yeah.. check the stock prices of gateway.. over the past 5 years...
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February 19, 2009
09:01 PM
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April 16, 2009
07:02 PM
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May 06, 2009
10:58 PM
Luckly i got a eee pc laptop instead of buying the second hand gateway notebook.
July 05, 2009
12:59 PM
i got a eee pc laptop instead of buying the second hand gateway notebook.
August 15, 2009
02:08 AM
Everyone I know who has had a Gateway PC has had more than their share of problems. Definite Buyer Beware!
November 13, 2009
02:09 AM
Someone should learn on that, it's not about the money all the time.
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12:49 AM
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